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Charles Martin

In my experience at one software company I worked for, the deadline was defined first by what was promised to the customer, then everything was scheduled accordingly (regardless of potential potholes in the road). I honestly don't remember once making a deadline (but being blamed for it missing due to being the last person to touch the project in spite of the 10 others before me who took too long as well).

Thus it becomes important to know when a project should be scrapped, delayed or modified. Scrapped because the deadline exceeds a barrier that cannot be missed no matter what (i.e., making the last shipment of goods before a trade embargo goes into effect); delayed because timing may be more favorable at a later date (such as having a particular movie ready in time for Christmas being postponed to late Spring to catch the early Summer crowds... which has happened); modified to throw out parts of the project that may be done at a later time or were not really necessary to the core project's completion (for example, leaving out the wireless access point and proxy server for a new company's network as it can be added at a later date, but is not crucial to overall network connectivity by opening day).

Rarely, though, are any of these accepted. The usual method for meeting the deadline is increasing the workload on those working on the project. That is always the easiest decision to make with the greatest negative impact on morale. Yet it happens over and over. We should be more open to making one of the other choices so that quality is not impaired (and morale is not crushed).

Bert

Charles--

The formula, rather than determining an exact finishing date, actually determines project duration. I can take an assigned deadline and use this formula to determine the project's duration to forecast whether the deadline is realistic. After doing what I advocate in this post, I've often gone back and renegotiated a deadline based on my data. This is possible because many assigned deadlines are actually soft ones, which are assigned days to weeks prior to the client's deadline. Soft deadlines are but one way for supervisors to account for obstacles that they think subordinates may overlook or not take seriously. They are usually days to weeks prior to the client's deadlines. Unfortunately, they increase the workload on those working on the project for no good reason as collaborative planning or competent supervisory follow-up can accomlish the same thing. It is a shame that those working on the project often don't have a say in a deadline unless someone approaches management to renegotiate...if, as you say, there are no non-negotiable barriers.

Hashim

the more people involves, the more unpredicatable a project becomes, and that makes it hard to even give estimates to calculate

Jennifer

I work at a PR/Adv firm and we are always trying to find the best way to size down a project. What I've found is that no matter how many nifty charts we produce, it always comes down to the individual person. I work under someone who has no concept of time management and therefore often extends deadlines at her whim. Its very annoying and hard to manage. Is there a chart for that? ;)

foobario

As an electrical engineer I find that I need to modify your formula:

Te = (To + 4Tm + Tp) * (Nm! / 6)

Where Nm! = the factorial of the number of midlevel managers involved.

danny

Jennifer there is no chart for anyone working in PR/Advertising, because charts "don't deal with real humans". As a more workable alternative, I recommend increasing your ego.

Bert

As foobario has noted, although I feel his modification to the formula is not necessary, the additional number of people involved in a project would cause me to increase my estimate of time in each of the three variables. It's a fact that when you deal with people, more time is required. Temporally challenged team members and supervisors who are involved in the project require even more time to be added into the calculation.

Jemal

The fact that the formula above is able to masquerade as science is truly amazing. Let's read what it actually says:

Take your estimate, give it a heavy weighting, and then diverge by the difference of your best and worst case estimates, thereby giving you almost exactly what your estimate was in the first place.

That's science? Take your guess and pad it a little? Feh.

More here: http://www.tanglebones.com/articles/2004/10/07/project-management

Charles Martin

Bert, in reference to Jemal's downplay of this method, do you have any examples of where you have used this formula and how the resulting estimate compared to your original (heavy-weighted) estimate and the actual completion date? It would seem that the only way of proving the use of this method would be to show how well it "corrects" our own estimate versus reality.

Bert

Charles --

I use this formula (often in my head if the project is simple) and find myself in the ball park.

A specific example will not satisfy Jemal. According to his blog, he leans heavily on hunches rather than systems that others have used and found to be effective. When he discussed this formula on his blog, another commenter called him on "picking out those numbers to get the result you want."

There is an old saying that says, "Never wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it and all you get is dirty." His comment doesn't rate an example, as he would simply say that I was minpulating the data to arrive at a pre-determined result. Charles, if you'd like to hear about a project, send me an email and I'll share.

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